How to Make the Perfect Burger

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hood a few minutes later, “Here.” [laughter] [classical music]>>Robot Narrator: Cooking
a really good burg.>>Kent Schoberle of Augustus Ranch, you talked before about the fundamentals when it comes to steak, you
want that crispy outside, you want that medium rare inside, you want to soak it in fat, you want to throw butcher
salts all over it. What rules are different when
it comes to doing a burger?>>In my opinion, you
should have something amazingly delicious with
just the meat and the bun. If you can make the meat
and the bun taste amazing, and that has to do with
the quality of the meat, how you cook it, and then the ratio between the meat and the bun so the textures become
one, they’re not separate. When you’re eating it, it just becomes this holistic experience. A unified burger, so to speak.>>You’re talking about
a religious experience.>>Almost.>>Fundamentals, let’s talk about good I assume good meat, good
cheese, good buns, right?>>Exactly. Those three
things should be delicious. Everything you add on
after that, the condiments, we’re talking about the addition
of flavors and textures, salt, fat, acid, heat, sweet umami, all of those encapsulated
within the burger. But, meat, cheese, bun, you should have something
incredible to start.>>What do we look for if
we wanted to hand craft, because most of us buy pre-ground meat, pre-packaged buns and all that stuff. If you want to make a
presentation of this, where do you begin?>>Right, take it to the next level. Well, arguably the most
important part of the burger, the meat,>>You would say that.>>I would.>>Meat purveyor.
>>I’m a meat guy for sure.>>BRIAN: Big meat.>>[laughing] Big meat.>>That’s our nickname
for you now. [laughing] Big meat Schoberle.>>Scho-Buns was actually my nickname, because my last name’s Schoberle.>>That’s like Magic Mike.>>But with meat buns.
>>But with meat. Scho-Buns.>>Yeah, plus I used to cook
with an apron and nothing else, so I guess that was probably>>Don’t know if you’re
serious or not, but uh>>You know what? Moving right along.>>Moving on, I have here three different specific parts of a cow which we’re going to use to
grind our own fresh meat. Now look, if you’re at home, you don’t have access to a grinder, just get some pre-ground meat
from a source that you trust, either from the local butcher shop, or better yet, directly from
the ranch that raises the meat.>>I operated under the
misconception, for the longest time, that you really couldn’t
tell any difference between the type of meat,
between the quality of meat, and where it was farmed,
and things like that.>>You know what, if we
did a blind taste test, we all sat down, put blind folds on and we had just the meat by itself, you would be able to tell the difference. If we ate a cheeseburger
with everything on it, it’d be a little bit harder to taste the nuances of texture and flavor when you got all the other stuff going on, the condiments, the pickles, the onions, but it does make a difference. Especially if you’re using a bigger patty, not those tiny tiny patties. I don’t go any less than a quarter pound, sometimes maybe even a little
closer to a third of a pound. Also, conceptually, you’re thinking about if you know where it comes from, you know it comes from a good source, you can feel good about
eating that cheeseburger.>>What are the three types
of meat that we see here?>>We got the chuck. Chuck comes from the shoulder
region of the animal. Does a lot of work, so
it’s got a lot of flavor. It’s got some connective tissue, so grinding it is perfect
because it kind of tenderizes it. Perfect base for your
burger grinds, chuck. Next we’ve got some ribs. The ribs are unctuous and delicious, they’ve got a strong flavor, because the amount of fat in there, so the ribs are really going to help take the fat up to the next level. They’re boneless, I cut them
off the bone, of the rib bone, but they come from the rib section. Third, we’ve got some sirloin, specifically it’s tri-tip. Tri-tip comes from the bottom sirloin, and the reason I like that is because it’s a little
bit softer in texture, but it’s got great flavor. Those three are an amazing place to start for a custom grind.>>Do you blend all
three of these together, or do you have different
types of burgers from them?>>You can let your imagination go wild. And you can definitely do
different combinations, different size grinding plates, maybe you grind it twice,
maybe you only grind it once. These are all variables on the table. I prefer to go with them once ground through the medium sized plate. I find that gives a good combination of that kind of burger texture
that you’re looking for, at the same time still kind of meaty.>>It’s so weird, because a meat grinder is something I only
know from horror films, so it’s weird to be here in person.>>This is a fancy device, you can get basic ones at any store that don’t set you back very
much if you want to do this.>>Look, you can get a meat
grinder for home purposes for less than $100 that’s
going to do a good job. You can even get attachments
for your KitchenAid mixer if you have a KitchenAid mixer. That’s a great way to go. I do a little bit more than
just the occasional grinding, I like to grind all kinds of stuff. You can get really fun with it, bacon and beef, or pork and vegetables, or any home-made burgers. Having a grinder at home is just, it’s fun, gives you a
little more flexibility. I prefer a standalone unit, because it’s going to
be a little stronger. I want to say this Cabela’s grinder costs between between $100 to $200, this is one of their smaller sized units. It’s phenomenal, it’s fantastic.>>It looks formidable.>>It’s heavy, it’s like 70 pounds. So you’ll notice I actually
cut it into strips, okay? You can cut it into
chunks, but I like strips, I find that it gets a little
bit of a cleaner grind. Imagine a blade inside
this plate spinning, it’s actually cutting the meat. It’s not smashing or pulverizing, it’s actually cutting the meat. So giving it this continuous strip I believe creates a little bit of a cleaner grind on the actual meat. So we’re going to put this
in our handy tray up top here so we can put the three different types, we’ve got our chuck, rib,>>BRIAN: So we’re just blending
them together in this case?>>Yeah, we’ll go, we’ll alternate between
strips kind of thing.>>Now, were these all
sourced from the same cow?>>These were, these came
from an Augustus Ranch cow that I butchered on Friday. Freshness is a kind of nuanced subject.>>Talked about aging like
after the slaughtering, you want the steaks to
hang around a little bit and then get a little bit
soft with that natural>>Right, right, dry age.>>BRIAN: Yeah, exactly.>>You’re bringing us meat from a cow that you slaughtered
less than 48 hours ago?>>No, the cow was actually slaughtered it would be probably at
this point 18 days ago.>>Oh, okay. Gotcha.>>BRIAN: So it’s aging, aging.>>Hung the carcass for 15 days, and got that two weeks of dry age on it, and then butchered it on Friday. And what I normally would have done, I’d just put it into a vacuum
sealed package and froze it, and then we sell these cuts of meat. But I held onto it, so we have it here. So I’m going to turn this on, and literally all you’re going
to do is feed a strip at a time, there’s three piles
here, so just alternate. Don’t even worry too much about it, it’s just going to be perfect. And then just go ahead and
drop it down into the hole. Yup, and just keep going
with the other strips.>>BRIAN: Oh, it’s happening! It’s happening! This uh Play-Doh!>>KENT: Keep going, keep going.>>Okay, okay. This is fun!
>>KENT: Now one of the ribs.>>You weren’t kidding,
this is a good time.>>No no, back to the chuck,
then the sirloin and the rib, just keep on alternating like that.>>JASON: Oh yeah, because
we got to mix it right. Okay, all right. Sorry little biscuit,
this is what happens.>>KENT: Just don’t stick your hands too far down into the grinder hole there.>>Yeah, that looks like
it would end badly for me.>>It’s not going to feel good. So you can see the meat coming out, it’s coming out nice and clean.>>BRIAN: So there are
different types of guards on the outside that determine
the size of the meat tubes? This is all science talk
I’m trying to put out there.>>KENT: Yeah, absolutely, very technical. There’s different sized plates. So you can’t see it right now because the meat’s coming out of it, but the basically the plate
where the meat’s coming out, there’s different sized holes, and that’ll determine the
size of the meat particle that goes into our ground beef.>>JASON: This is just like Play-Doh.>>You mean the republic?>>No.>>The philosopher?>>Yep, that’s what I was thinking. That’s what they did with him.>>That’s how he died. Everyone ate him.
[Brian laughing] You’ve also got this meat plunger, so you can use this to kind
of help the meat through, but as you saw, we had it in strips and we just fed it one at a time, we’re not trying to
smash the meat through, we don’t want to smash it or pulverize it, we literally want to cut it
as if we took those strips with a sharp knife and hand cut them into these tiny little particle sizes.>>So you want to preserve
the integrity of the meat.>>KENT: That’s right, that’s right.>>What’s next?>>Well, we’re going to put
this in the refrigerator, let this cool down, and then
we’ll dive into our condiments and kind of figure out where
we’re going to go from there. Just keep that nice and cold.>>BRIAN: Do you want the
freezer or the fridge?>>KENT: Just the fridge, just the fridge.>>Okay, so the meat
is chilling right now. Is the chilling important
for the style of cooking, is there a reason we don’t want to immediately throw it onto a pan?>>Really it’s just for timing purposes. We’re going to go ahead and
assemble all our elements before we actually start
cooking the burgers.>>This is one of those things
I never would’ve thought of, because now that you’re saying
it, it’s like of course, it’s like there’s a timing
element to get the perfect amount nobody likes a burger that’s been sitting around
for five hours, right?>>And honestly, that’s something
that as I learn to cook, this is just kind of basic information, but it really is all in the timing. Like okay, I’ve got five minutes, I’m going to go over here and do this now while this is happening, and it’s really just kind of keeping all of those plates spinning.>>You know, there’s
the term mise en place that professional cooks use, it’s basically having all
the different components of your dish ready at your disposal, so at the moment of cooking,
you don’t have to think, you don’t have to be distracted, you’ve got everything you need. We’ve got all our condiments here that we’re going to separate
out, have those all ready. Just going to go boom boom boom
quick, assemble the burgers, they’ll be ready hot and fresh.>>Okay, little exercise. I’ll go first. Yes. Sure.>>BRIAN: Oh, are we
going to have this talk?>>JASON: We are, we are.>>BRIAN: Are we going
to talk about condiment?>>Yes.
>>No. No, no no no no no no no!>>Yeah, sure. I’m open to it, I don’t know
what’s going on with that.>>Nope, nope. Everybody’s, okay, butter, fine. Everybody’s different when it
comes to condiments, right? There’s something about the ownership of you being able to decide your own how much of what goes in there, and meanwhile we have
different flavor profiles, mayonnaise is so tangy,
sweet relish is so gross.>>But here’s the choice
you get to make, Brian. Kosher dill, or spicy kosher dill?>>I mean if I’m going to pick anything, it’s going to be the spicy
one, but meanwhile, no pickles! [laughing] Like, that’s where I’m at.>>I trust you. Rock the house, man. Put it in my mouth, let’s do it.>>Well that’s the thing
about cheeseburgers, you can really make it your own, everyone’s got their
own little preferences. But to your point, if
you like things simple, the burger should be delicious with nothing more than
meat, bun, and cheese. I mean really, if you’ve
got the right bun, a nice soft bun which toasts well, if you got the quality of the
meat which has a good flavor, for us we just ground our own meat so it’s going to be nice
and fresh and beefy. The cheese that we have, I’ve
actually got a combination of two different types of cheddar. So we can really go any direction we want.>>And we got like, is this
beef tallow, is this lard? What is this?>>KENT: That is beef tallow. That is beef tallow made with suet, which is the kidney fat from the beef. So it’s rendered, we talked a little bit about rendering on the last episode. Doesn’t have anything to do with your computer or your graphics processor. But this basically rendered beef fat, and we’re going to
essentially fry the burgers.>>So we’re frying a burger in burger.>>In burger. Why would you not do that?>>Yeah no, that’s great. A burger-ception, let’s do this. Fire it up.>>First thing we got to do
though is prepare our condiments. We’re getting into the
sauce portion of things. For me, the perfect burger
sauce has all of the elements. It’s got the mayo, because
that’s a great base. The fat really like brings all the other
ingredients to another level. We’ve got the ketchup that kind of adds a little bit of a sweetness
and a little acid. And we’ve got the mustard, which is, got vinegar, a little
bit of heat and spice. And then the sweet relish, which adds another little
dimension of like a>>So we’re going to
blend all these together to make like just one paste?>>Well again, Kent is kind of recapturing his experience with the Big Mac, so this is going to be kind of similar to the special sauce, right?>>Exactly, exactly. The very first cheeseburger I had, not the very first,
the most memorable one. I was at the rec park playing
with my friend Jeremy Estus, must’ve been six or seven years old. My dad brings us a couple burgers, sits us down at a picnic table and puts these boxes in front of us. It’s like a brown box. It opens up, and inside is this perfectly shaped bun, round,>>Are you describing a whopper?>>Big Mac, Big Mac.>>JASON: Different.>>But I literally remember every single part of that moment, from the moment I put it into my mouth, and I tasted the crunch from the lettuce, and the tangy sauce, and
the bite from the onion, and the flavor of the
meat, and the melty cheese, and the soft bun which just
gently held it all together. Every moment in my life
past that experience has been to recreate that.>>That was a real tender moment.>>My dad just said, “Here’s a pack of smokes,
I’ll see you around.”>>It’s like a tangy burger
sauce that has everything in it. And then finally, we’ll add
a little dash of rice vinegar just for that acid, bring the
ingredients to another level. So there’s no measurements, look, when you’re at home doing this stuff, unless you’re baking,
you’re making your own buns, and you’re doing something that requires that level of detail, this is all about eye. You just, you got to get
used to doing it like that. That’s the best way. Should be fun, there
should be a joy in cooking, you don’t need to stress.>>As I’ve come to understand it, when you get into the groove with cooking, you start to understand that
it’s kind of like jazz almost.>>So first of all, I know some people are like on the fence about mayo, but like really, if you don’t like mayo, I don’t know if you’re that
trustworthy as a person.>>I only recently came around to mayo. Brian on the other hand is a monster.>>Look, everything’s
going to be mixed together, so you’re not even going to
really know what is in the sauce, you’re just going to know
it’s kind of like tangy.>>Tangy, savory, sweet, a
little bit salty, just adds zest.>>Boom. Yeah, exactly. So, I’m a hippy, so I like
using better quality condiments. This is made with avocado oil, this is mayo with avocado oil. The avocado actually does have a little bit of flavor, it’s fantastic. So we’re going to do this like so, I’m going to do three parts mayo, if this is grossing you out
just turn away for a moment.>>It’s fine, it’s fine. I can handle all of this. [Jason snorting]>>We got ketchup.>>What? Oh oh, it’s the same brand.>>Yeah, this is the same
brand, Sir Kensington’s, this is another one of
those like hippy ketchups. We’re going to do you
know, three parts mayo, one part ketchup, one part mustard, I go a little bit heavy on the mustard because I love mustard,
so one part mustard. And then one part sweet relish,
just because the sweetness, it adds just kind of very nice>>See, that’s what throws me,
because I always just think oh sweet relish is the topping rather than an ingredient, but I can see where you’re
going with it and I’m excited.>>Finally, just a dash of rice vinegar to add that extra acid and
make it a little tangy. So this is literally like a teaspoon. If you put mayo, mustard,
ketchup, relish on the burger, like as it’s separately,
that’s basically what this is.>>And your experience with a
food is in the presentation, so if you get those –>>KENT: Stir that up.>>BRIAN: Sure I’ll just stir this up.>>KENT: Mm mm.>>JASON: If you get
these as separate toppings rather than just this sauce, that’s going to be a different experience.>>It probably will, yeah. Depends on how much you put, you know, maybe you only cover
half of it with ketchup, and the other half with something else. So you mix it all together,
you get all of it in the, should I have given that to him?>>Whenever you see the
special sauce on burgers, it often looks like that. And a lot of times, it’s often just thousand island dressing.
>>Thousand island, yeah! Thousand island, boom. [laughing]>>I love how he just kind of, bloop. This from Brian just kind
of says, “Happy now?” [Brian laughing]>>If you guys would like to
try it, you do the taste test. You stick your uh, [Brian growling] Tangy, you know, a little
bit sweet from the ketchup,>>Hold on. [Jason laughing] It’s like you did a magic trick, it’s like you put in four
things I hate and somehow I hated it not as much
as I thought I would.>>And here’s the thing, that’s
going to taste very different when we put it on the burger. Right now for me, that’s a little intense.>>So that’ll go on the top
and the bottom bun both. Next we’ve got our pickles, okay? I like fermented pickles. The fermented nature of the pickles adds that kind of funky, salty, the bacteria from the fermentation, Lactobacillus bacteria is going
to help with your digestion, and just cut through the richness
of all those ingredients. You’ve also got non-fermented, which are more of like vinegar based. You’ve got bread and butter, which are vinegar based but have sugar, you can go any which way with the pickles. But the spicy ones, that’s probably what I’m
going to go with today. They’re not overly spicy,
but just a little bit, the flavor of the pepper, the jalapeno, really just kind of
adds to the whole thing.>>I mean, you know my answer. It’s got to be the spicy>>Yeah, I’m down with spicy.>>KENT: Okay, so I’m just
going to take the pickle>>Oh my god, I can smell it from here.>>You do not like pickles.>>Correct, I do not like pickles.>>Oh you don’t like pickles.>>No, no no, but look,
I’m in, I’m learning, I’m trying to grow.>>Try a piece.
>>Okay.>>So imagine this in the context of that fatty, rich
burger that we’re eating, it’s going to help cut
through all that richness.>>I can’t wait, this
is going to be great.>>JASON: You are a champion.>>You’re converting.>>You’re good, you’re good. I am legit excited. [Brian laughing]>>KENT: So we’re going to cut
these maybe medium thickness so that we can put them on our burger. [Jason laughing] So we got our pickles. Onion, okay. The sharp bite from the onion, you know, don’t worry about your breath. It’s going to be fine.>>Cooked or raw?>>Both. You’ve got yellow onions, got white onion, use whatever onion you like. I like red onions, you know, I like the flavor of red onions. So we’re going to slice some of these up, we’re going to put a few of these on raw, and then we’re also going to throw a few of these in the burger grease.>>Ooh, nice, okay.>>So it’s going to kind
of caramelize a little bit, it’s going to be a little bit sweeter, but it’s going to have that
oniony crunch and texture as well.>>I’m interested to see how
much you put on there like, is it the little rings,
is it a disc of onion, is it little pieces?>>Well I will show you, sir. So we’re going to basically cut the onion, both ends, the root end and the top end. And then we’re going to slice it in half. Going to take off the
outer-most layer here. You ever get a piece of onion, and it’s got that like papery
thing going on, you know? Yeah, so that’s the outer layer,
you want to take that off.>>BRIAN: Got ’em. Take that, big onion.>>KENT: Now what we’re going to do is I’m going to slice this fairly thinly, because when you taste the onion, you don’t want it to be
extremely overwhelming, you just want it to accent
the other ingredients. So I’m going to go ahead,
and I sliced it once, then I’m going to go ahead, slice it one more time down the middle. So we’ve got these small,
thin pieces of onion, so you’re not going to bite
into this huge chunK of onion and it’s going to be overwhelming. Next, lettuce, iceberg lettuce
as far as I’m concerned is one of the greatest
inventions of the last century.>>Name another iceberg, sorry, besides lettuce.>>Another iceberg besides lettuce?>>No, another lettuce besides iceberg.>>Looks like you got me, Brian, I can’t name any other icebergs.>>Iceberg lettuce is so good, because it has that crunch.>>We’re moving away from flavor profiles, and talking about mouth feel.>>Right, now this does have a
little bit of a flavor to it, you know, tastes like
the garden a little bit. But we’re going to slice
this, basically shred it, I like it nice and thin. We’ll put this on the bottom of the bun. I’m going to take the very top leaf off, and we’re not going to
need this whole thing, so what I’m going to do is
just slice it in half, like so. So you can see the crunchiest
parts are in the interior, and then as we get towards
the outer part of the iceberg, it starts to get a little
bit more green and leafy. So I’ll use a combination of all of that, but the best most crunchiest
part is from the heart, it’s from the interior.>>BRIAN: Right on.>>JASON: That’s what my
sensei always told me.>>What’d he tell you?>>That the crunchiest part is the heart.>>Oh, okay. [laughs]>>JASON: Sometimes you
throw something out there, and it just kind of drifts away.>>KENT: I was trying to find
somewhere to go with it, but.>>JASON: Sometimes your
friends are able to help ya, sometimes they’re not.>>KENT: Understood. So I’m going to slice this fairly thin, got our iceberg, going to kind
of break that up a little bit.>>BRIAN: So you’re a fan of everything being sort of shredded almost
like a cabbage or whatever, where, instead of just
a leaf of a single bit?>>KENT: Yes sir. Leaf is great too if you
want to peel off a leaf, especially one of the more interior leafs and do it whole like that, that’s great. But for me, I like it shredded. So last thing we’re going to do before we start cooking the burgers is we’re going to melt our cheese.>>Wait, you melt it in advance?>>Yes. I like using real cheese.>>We’re not talking about
like a unified way protein, we’re talking about
like traditional cheese.>>Yeah, we’re talking about like an actual aged cheddar cheese. Look, I’m not dogging
American cheese, it’s great. If that’s your go-to cheese, go for it. The way that American
cheese melts is spectacular, which is why we’re going to
take our shredded cheddar and we’re going to add
a little bit of water and a special salt that
comes from citric acid, it’s called sodium citrate. You can read more about
that on Modernist Cuisine, that’s where I found out about it.>>This stuff, what, dissolves the cheese and makes it more like American cheese?>>Exactly, it’s going to give it the melting qualities of American cheese, but it’s the flavor and the
integrity of real cheese.>>Some cheese science.>>Cheesy. I mean look, if you’ve got
sliced cheese or sliced cheddar, that’s great too. It’s just that whole
melting down the sides thing when you bite into it, it’s
like one of the best parts. We’re going to take our
fancy induction burner, we’re going to put our small pot, or in this case a deep nine
pan on our induction burner. I’m going to go ahead and turn it on, and I’m going to turn it
down to a low power level. Half a cup water, I’m adding 14 grams, 14
grams of the sodium citrate. Now, this is not citric acid, it’s a salt made from citric acid. We’re basically going to
bring this up to a simmer. We’re going to start adding the cheese. I have 200 grams of a kind
of mild cheddar cheese, and I’ve got 180 grams of>>BRIAN: It looks like
a mozzarella there, or?>>No, this is actually, so cheddar is not actually
yellow by default. The yellow coloring comes from annatto, it’s like a tropical fruit I believe, they make a pulp out of it and somehow that’s where the
yellow flavor in cheddar comes. Naturally, you know, if you ever see yellow
milk coming out of a cow, you might want to ask some
questions, I don’t know. [Jason laughing]
>>Fair enough, fair enough.>>This is a 30 month aged cheddar, so this is going to be
a little bit more funky, and this is going to be
a little bit more mild, I like combining the two
for the flavor profile. You can use the whisk, sir, I’m just going to start adding the cheese. Just keep on doing what you’re doing.>>BRIAN: So we’re making
kind of a cheese sauce.>>KENT: Yeah, yeah. You could make this sauce and then pour it out on a tray and refrigerate it,>>BRIAN: Or just drink it
straight, I would imagine>>JASON: Or just drink it.>>KENT: Yeah, yeah. If you wanted to take the extra step, you can make the sauce,
pour it out on a flat tray, refrigerate it, and
then cut it into slices, so you’re going to basically
have your own American cheese. Starting to get kind of thick,
so just keep stirring.>>JASON: Yeah, it’s uh, I’m
going to be sore tomorrow.>>KENT: God, your arm is huge.>>BRIAN: Is this the biggest workout you’ve done in a while?>>Look at these gains! I got some massive cheese
gains from this guys.>>Cheeseburger diet. This is not the easiest job here,
you know what I’m saying? This is…
>>It’s really not. Get some Gatorade.>>KENT: All right, so
this is a little thick, so I’m actually going to add just a tiny bit more of cold water. But you can start to see, it’s starting to get that
kind of melty, cheesy,>>BRIAN: Yeah, sure. Starting to look like that movie
theater nacho cheese sauce.>>Just a tiny bit. We’re starting to get into that ooey gooey American cheese melting
qualities that we’re looking for. So we melted our cheese,
we’re letting that cool, we’re going to heat that up right before we put it
on top of the burgers. I’m going to turn the oven on, because we’re going to
throw the buns in there under the broiler so we don’t burn our buns.>>So we have the chilled meat, we have all the condiments, we’re ready, what is next?>>You can cook burgers a
variety of different ways. You can cook them on a griddle,
you can cook them on a grill, you can even broil them in the oven. We’re going to basically
fry them in beef fat. Because why would you not do that?>>Yeah, I’m 100% in.>>There is a place in
Tennessee known for doing this, they’ve been frying their burgers in grease for like 100 years, and they claim that at
the end of every night they do drain the grease,
but they’ve never changed it>>So there’s some amount
of the original beef tallow that’s been used for thousands of years?>>Well that just makes me think of them reusing the same culture for beer.>>Or yeast culture, yeah
of course, of course.>>What I like about doing this is that it kind of like fries the outside, and gets the edges really crispy, and I mean it’s just
like beef on beef flavor, cooks really quickly. I’ve got beef tallow, so we’re
going to get this melting, I’m going to go ahead and
turn on our induction burner. I’ve got my thermometer here, we’re basically wanting
about 375 degree temperature.>>If I were to put a little
bit of beef tallow on a spoon, could Brian eat it?>>Of course. Absolutely.>>Just checking.>>I mean, I’d let it
cool down a little bit. But this is 100% beautiful,
edible fat that you [stumbling]>>I know exactly what you want me to do.>>JASON: Yes! [claps]>>Wow, I, I did not see that coming.>>No? Because I totally did. Never let me down. How is it?>>This is a great episode.>>Yeah, I would, I would, I mean, look, there’s nothing…>>Yeah, you need to get rid of that? [laughing]>>Wow, you went for it man. That was awesome, you really went for it. Now had you swallowed that, unless you were like used
to eating a lot of fat you’d probably be [beep]
your pants in 20 minutes.>>Good thing I didn’t swallow it, then.>>But now you’re just primed. Now you’re perfect. So wow.
>>BRIAN: Kidney fat.>>So we’re melting that,
we’ve got the oven on broil, we’re going to stick our buns in there and we’re going to toast them. Have you seen Braveheart?>>BRIAN: Sure.
>>JASON: Oh yeah.>>KENT: Yeah, you know
that part where he’s like, “Every man dies,
>>”Every man dies,>>”But not every man truly lives.” If you’re not buttering
and toasting your buns,>>JASON: Then you’ve not lived.>>You’re basically surviving. You need to butter and toast your buns, for the love of god, please.>>Right on.>>Repent!>>I’m going to melt
this butter for just like however long it takes.>>Microwave, now he’s
talking my language. [Brian laughing]>>KENT: So we are brushing
melted butter onto these okay, we didn’t really talk
about buns too much did we?>>BRIAN: No.>>A nice soft bun is key, because it’ll toast on the
outside and get kind of crunchy, but the interior will be kind
of fluffy and moist and soft, so it’s not going to fight the burger, everything’s going to tie
together gently, but securely.>>Anything to look for in particular when you’re selecting buns?>>KENT: Just something
that’s on the softer side. So theses are brioche buns,
means they’ve got eggs, lot of butter, and we’re
adding more butter. Can also go for a roll, you
can go for a potato bun, you can go for, I mean look, as long as it’s kind of soft
and fluffy on the interior, that’s what I would say. We’ve got our buns, we’re
heating up our oil to about 375, this is beef fat. It’s not Crisco, it’s not
vegetable oil, use the real thing. Lard, beef fat, duck fat, chicken fat, like fat in it’s most simple form. Next, we’re just going
to make little balls>>BRIAN: Like a meat ball?>>KENT: Yep, like a meat ball. Ooh, this is so soft and silky. We’re making a ball about that size, okay? We’re going to press these down
into little burger patties, and we’re going to stick them in
the fat, they’re going to fry. We want to pay attention
to the amount of meat, and the size of the bun, I want the meat to basically be about the same circumference as the bun. So that means we’re going
to have to make the patties a little bit bigger than the bun, because they’re going to shrink
a little bit when we cook them as the fat cooks and renders out.>>So this is one of those
things I always associated like you know, the home-made
burgers often times were more like meatballs with bread on the top and the bottom, whereas you go to a fast food joint and they were always
these super thin patties. You’re saying reject
the super thin patties, but instead embrace the
giant meatball thing?>>No, I’m saying somewhere in the middle. We’re going to smash this
down into a thin patty. But you know, we’re just
making the balls first. Frankly I don’t like it when I get like this thick patty in the
middle of my burger. I like it a little thinner, because I don’t want it to fight everything else in the burger. I want it to all work together in one kind of harmonious texture. So I’m going to go ahead
and push this down like so.>>BRIAN: I mean, it seems gigantic.>>KENT: It seems big, but fat’s going to kind of cook and render out of this, and so it’s going to
shrink up a little bit.>>JASON: What is it
you’re using to smash that?>>This is just a flat
piece of metal I have that just makes it really easy
to smash these burger down. So look, these are hand-made patties. The uneven edges, that’s great. The oil’s going to kind of
fry the edges of these things, and it’s going to get all
crispy, it’s going to be amazing. I’m going to wash my hands.>>I’m going to wash my hands
that are covered in just fat.>>Even though this is
nice, clean, fresh meat, nobody’s going to get sick. All right, I’m just heating
this up a little bit. We’re going to use this
right before we serve. We can probably put
this back in the fridge, we’re done using that for now. We’ve got everything assembled, got our lettuce, our onions,
our pickles, our sauce, our cheese is over there on the stove, got our patties, we got our buttered buns, these are going to go into the
oven on a low broil to toast. I’m going to test the
temperature of the oil, we’re looking for about 375. So I’m basically holding it there,>>BRIAN: So it says 315, 320, 325,>>So it’s getting there.>>It’s getting there. Safety tip, you’re cooking
with fat, you’re frying, something goes wrong, flames appear. The easiest way to ruin your
life is to throw water on it.>>It’s bad news.>>Extraordinarily dangerous.>>You just want to cover it. Something catches on fire,
put a cover on it, put a lid, try to remove the oxygen.>>The long and the short of it is don’t put water on a grease fire.>>Do not.>>How done is done when
it comes to a burger?>>I want to leave a little
bit of pink in the middle. These are thin patties, so they’re going to cook
almost all the way through, but a little bit of red, little bit of pink in the middle is great. If you want to take it more,
take it more, that’s fine. If you want to nice rare burger, you definitely want to make your
patties a little bit thicker, but for us, we’re really just after the flavor and the texture of the meat, and it’s going to be so
juicy no matter what. One of my favorite ways to
cook a burger, too, is like if you’ve got a griddle, especially, I’ve got one in my back yard,
it’s like a big hot griddle. You take that ball, and you
smash it down on the griddle. You get that beautiful crust underneath, and then you want to take a
really fine, sharp spatula, and scrape up that crust and flip it, keep all of that golden
golden brown crust in tact. That’s like a smashed burger, those are becoming really popular. So I’m going to put these burger patties into the 375 degree beef fat. We’ve got our buns toasting in the oven, those are almost ready, you
can smell that toasty butter.>>BRIAN: How do you know
when the buns are toasted?>>The buns will visually
have that kind of golden brown crunchy
toasty look, but not black. That’s it. All right, we’re ready to go. Going to put that into the nice hot oil. Let that do it’s thing. I can’t really fit the other patty, so we’ll just save that for now.>>BRIAN: So we’re looking for almost like a chicken fried steak kind of browning>>KENT: Yeah, exactly. Probably about 30, 45 seconds per side.>>Oh wow, so really quick.>>I mean, this cooks quick. You can see it’s basically
frying, frying in the beef fat.>>I’m amazed, because everything
that you’ve done so far, I’ve thought, “Oh, I can do that.” [Brian laughing] Which is never something I expect to say when standing in any kitchen.>>KENT: Buns are looking good. Oh yeah, they’re feeling perfectly toasty. So we’re going to take these guys out, put those right there. So we’ve got our bottom
buns, we got our top buns. So, Jason, why don’t you
take some of this sauce, about that much on all of the buns.>>JASON: All of them?>>KENT: Bottoms and tops.>>BRIAN: I’m trusting
in Kent for all of this, this is not my bag.>>I’m proud of you, man.>>That’s our burger special sauce. So I’m going to take this>>JASON: Do you need some
Miracle Fruit pills just in case? [laughing]>>KENT: We’re going to very gently>>BRIAN: Yeah, it seems
like flipping them over would be problematic, and that it would splash hot oil all over the place.>>KENT: Yeah, you definitely
don’t want to do that. So we’re going to flip it over. We’re going to flip them over really whoops, gently. It falls apart a little bit, that’s all right, just keep it together.>>Will they refuse as they
sit there frying by each other?>>I don’t think so. This is just kind of
loose, we ground it once, it’s really fresh. Had we left it in the
refrigerator overnight, it probably would have like
held together a little bit more. I’m going to turn the cheese on low here just to heat this back up.>>So you’re really not doing anything along the lines of spicing the meat, that’s something that I was expecting.>>Not really, no, we’re
going to put salt on it when it comes out of the
pan, that’s about it. I’m going to put maybe four pieces. Like I said, I want some of the flavor and the sharpness, and
crunch from the raw onions. Then we’re going to put lechuga,
which is lettuce in Spanish, going to put some of that
lettuce on the bottom here.>>BRIAN: I always thought
lettuce was an on top ingredient.>>KENT: How dare you, sir?>>BRIAN: Is that a whole thing? Is there arguments about like>>JASON: Is it like toilet paper?>>I like the lettuce on the
bottom so the meat rests on top, and the lettuce kind of catches
the juices a little bit. It’s just like a perfect
way to rest the meat I find. Oh yeah, our burgers are done. Going to flip it one more time. So the oil wasn’t quite hot enough, so we didn’t get as much
of the crispy crunchy, we’ll turn it up for the next one. But it’s still super juicy. So we’re going to go ahead and put this right on top, like so. Drain some of that grease there. Boom. Okay. So we haven’t salted the burgers yet.>>BRIAN: So the salting, I assume that if you were to mix it
in with the ground beef that it would be basically
making it a briny flavor, this is the case where you’re
going to put it on the outside so that it hits those taste buds, right?>>KENT: Exactly, yeah. I think it would actually not do too good if we mix the salt into the actual patty, it would start drawing the
moisture out of the meat, I think it might change
it up a little bit. That’s a little hot, because
I had it on the stove. So we’re going to take our spoon, and we’re going to basically
ladle this cheese sauce over the top, kind of like so. Now, it’s going to be
really easy to overdo it with the cheese here, so I’m not going to.>>JASON: It almost got weird. I almost started going yeah, yeah! Yes!>>KENT: Kind of evokes
those emotions, huh? So we’ve got this super
queso-y, melty quality to it. Next, we’re going to do pickles like so, maybe just four pickles per burger.>>JASON: These are the
spicy ones, again, right? That’s what we did?>>These are the spicy pickles, they’ve got a little bit of jalapeno.>>JASON: Holy cow. We’ve got two cheeseburgers here. Red onions, pickle, lettuce, fried meat. Those are right at eating
temperature there, so.>>Dude! Moment of truth. [Jason singing]>>JASON: I’m so excited. I’m so excited.>>BRIAN: I’m, I’m, uh…>>You’re nervous, I know, it’s fine. I’m proud of you for coming this far.>>Complete with the
pickles and everything.>>KENT: Pickles, onions, cheese, lettuce, burger, brioche bun.>>Oh, sweet Christmas.>>BRIAN: I mean, oh my god. Even knowing that there are
so many ingredients here that I don’t normally do, something about that fusion of everything is just so perfectly savory.>>JASON: I love how
drippy and floppy it is, it’s just got the perfect
consistency for me. The crispiness of the bun,
the tenderness of the meat, that cheese is top notch.>>Cheesy, beefy, little bit of onion, pickle to help cut through the richness, the sauce is somewhat
subtle, but somewhat tangy. It’s like a fast food burger but with much better ingredients.>>JASON: Oh my god, this is amazing.>>All right, where could people head to get so much more of your
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